stephen_woodside
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as for van bastens volley it could have gone anywhere,look at zidanes volley in the euro final against leverkusen that was pure technique van bastens volley was one of those that could have gone into the stands.
Although Zidane's goal was great technique wise, i still feel Marco Van Basten's strike was most memorable for me, at least on a personal level. Maybe it was because i was 15 at the time and i had a fondness for the dutch. Whatever the reason, that Van Basten goal deserves its placing at number two as it was an expectional piece of pure technical ability in the way he struck the ball and the simple fact that he was on an angle that scoring from that position and to beat the goalkeeper all ends up, looked an impossible feat at the time.
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Historyman
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It's almost impossible to decide which is technically the better goal between Van Basten and Zidane, so I'll have to let my different reactions decide which is the greater goal - and it's definitely Van Basten's. I remember watching the match back in '88 and my jaw dropping open as the Dutchman volleyed it over Dassayev into the back of the net. When I watched Zidane's volley in 2002, I remember thinking, "Fantastic goal" but it didn't astound me in the same way that Van Basten's did. His volley reached the heart, whereas Zidane's stayed soley in the memory. When 'greatest goals' are being evaluated, emotions probably play a greater role than we like to think in deciding which ones are the best.
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RichieC
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Saying that 'it could have gone into the stands' is a completely dead argument when it ended up in the back of the net. It's the equivalent of saying that all the greatest goals on this list are rubbish because they could have ended up missing. Oddly enough, great goals are considered such because they have that all important criterion of actually being a goal. Carlos Alberto's goal, while made primarily by the build up, could so easily have been hammered into the side netting, Maradona could have scuffed his shot against England or Belgium, BUT THEY DIDN'T!
I'd also like to add to the list, Josimar's goal against Poland in the WC86 Round of 16. Similar in angle to Van Basten's, but from further out albeit not a volley. Then again, it could so easily have gone wide so I guess it was just mediocre 
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GrahamBrack
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Good point about the need for it to go in the net! I'd add two more criteria. If there's any doubt about whether the player meant it, I'm not sure it can count. For example, I recall a stunning goal Robert Jarni scored for Betis from the area of the corner flag that thumped in off the far post. It was either the most precise shot I've ever seen or a complete fluke, and the doubt rules it out for me. The second is that sometimes a goal is made special by the opposition. Suker's chip for Croatia against Denmark in Euro 96 would have been a very good goal, but it was made extra special by the fact that he got it up and over a keeper as big and good as Peter Schmeichel and still managed to drop it in the net.
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Historyman
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Suker's chip was special moment in what was a terrific match. Didn't he also try and lob Schmeichel from the halfway line before that goal? Two sublime moments of skill from the same player in the same match.
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steve31
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the word fluke is a better description of van bastens goal!it shouldnt be number 2 on the list!
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steve31
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if its a dead argument why are you arguing about it?it shouldnt be number 2 on the list of greatest goals as i think it was a fluke and could have gone anywhere,the likes of the brazil 70 goal and maradonas are different they were pure skill not lucky!!
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stephen_woodside
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the word fluke is a better description of van bastens goal!it shouldnt be number 2 on the list!
Cant agree here mate with you. Calling Van Basten's goal a fluke, "and lets face it, it was a goal that today sticks in many football lovers hearts and minds" is a touch off the mark to say the least. The way in which the Dutchman allowed the ball to drop over his should before unleashing a shot, was incredible and stating it was a fluke is a bit of a mad thought. Great goal and well worthy of its positioning. You could go on all night about the physics of a players shot, for instance Roberto Carlos' free kick against France. It is like saying if the ball had not swerved enough then the ball would have flew well wide. His shot did not go wide but bent superbly into Fabien Barthez' goal, the best bending free kick i will probably ever witness in my entire lifetime.
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Sam
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I'd like to nominate the first goal from this video as a contender as well. Alright so he lets it bounce first, and alright so you've never heard of him, but still, he quite clearly meant it.
Actually, go on YouTube and type in 'Cúcuta Copa Libertadores', and just watch the demolish Gremio, Nacional and Boca (in the first leg) in this year's competition. A few are scrappy, 'ordinary' goals but the majority are absolute stunners.
Solely because of this, Cúcuta are my Colombian team now. And I think it goes to show that actually arguing about whose volley was better doesn't really matter - what's important is just enjoying the moment...
Cúcuta (in white) beating Tolima 4-3 away in the 2007 Libertadores group stage
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Crystix
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I would agree with the number one in the Greatest Goals section, but disagree with Carlos Alberto's goal and Maradona's goal against Belgium. A goal I'm also missing is the overhead kick from Van Basten when he was still playing for Ajax, I think.
I'm too young to really give a good opinion about the Greatest Teams of all time.
About the Greatest matches, I also can't say much about the matches of a long time ago, however I totally agree with number 2, Liverpool against Milan. Another great match I'm really missing was the second leg of the Chelsea - Barcelona match in 04-05's Champions League. Chelsea won that match 4-2. A must in the Greatest matches of all time, I believe.
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AndyNeill
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Greatest goal: Can't argue with Maradona, although I think this goal by Davie Cooper for Rangers against Celtic in Cup Final, is pretty special: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmECazR7jyA
Best Team : Puskas' Hungary should have been higher.
Best game : Belgium 4, USSR 3 at Mexico 86 was a treat for neutrals. Great goals, great skills and great drama.
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Historyman
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Thanks for the Davie Cooper link. It looked like an astonishing goal, although it would be nice to see it from a different camera angle. What year was this final?
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midnightoil
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The Greatest teams list is made ludicrous by the absence of the West German National Side circa 1972 - 74. The OTHER team besides France to concurrently hold the World and European Championships. The 72 Team destroyed the Soviets 3-0 in the final (After whipping England 3-1 at Wembley in the Quarterfinal). Had the officiating been up to snuff in the 74 World Cup final they would of beaten the Dutch (Number 3 on the list) 4-1. Gerd Mueller had a goal falsely ruled offside, and the Germans were denied a clear penalty in the closing minutes. Denmark 1986 Are you kidding?
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righteous1
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The Davie Cooper goal is class, great link. Reminded me of the famous Matt Le Tissier one that Sky always show from a game against Newcastle in about 1995. The Cooper one looked a better goal though if anything, shame about the dodgy camera angle.
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Historyman
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I'm not convinced that the German team of the early seventies, as a whole, were a great enough side to warrant being included in the list. The side that won the European Championships in 1972 was brilliant, especially their near-perfect victories over the USSR and England (in the days when defeating England at Wembley still meant something).
The situation in 1974 was different. Even though the core of the squad was largely unchanged from two years previously, the team didn't gel in the same way. They famously lost to the old DDR, and at times were booed by their own fans because of their scrappy performances.
It seems that, like many other teams who win tournaments, West Germany '74 were effective, showed flashes of skill and individual brilliance, but essentially 'got the job done'. Perhaps that's why they are not in many people's list of greatest teams - 1974 took a lot of the gloss of 1972.
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iloveworldsoccer
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Goals:
I'm a little surprised that a goal by Clarence Seedorf while he was at Real Madrid wasn't included. Hit from just inside the Atletico Madrid half, it starts off going wide, and the keeper moves to the side of the net just to make sure. But as he does, the ball swerves and flies into the goal just below the centre of the bar without even starting to dip.
Another contender is Andres Vasquez in IFK Goteborg's 4-0 win over Orebro in Sweden. It looks a fluke at first, but Vasquez even did a TV piece explaining how he did it! Check it out on Youtube - it's fantastic! Much better than Messi in the Copa America this year.
I would also like to include Robin van Persie's volley for Arsenal against Charlton this season just gone. How he manages to get over the ball and keep it down is beyond me! The camera behind Eboue's cross gives the best angle.
Teams:
I think that Arsenal's 'Invincibles' from a few years ago should be included. Not only did they win the league unbeaten in the middle of a 49 game run without a defeat in the league, but they did it whilst playing some fantastic football.
Btw, I'm a Liverpool fan, so I'm not biased in Arsenal's favour. On that note, I don't suppose we could include a club based on their cup performances, in which case I would like to put forward Liverpool's cup teams 2004-2007.  Even though league performances were usually average, you can't really argue with two Champions League finals in three years, an FA Cup win, a Club World Championship final appearance and an unlucky League Cup defeat (as well as a Community Shield win).
Games:
The 2006 FA Cup final between Liverpool and West Ham was one of the best matches I've ever seen. For the second year running, I was considering walking away from the TV after 20 minutes of a Liverpool cup final performance. I'm glad I didn't! There was so much attacking football, and even through the TV there was a great atmosphere. What a shame that such a fantastic final was followed by such a dull final the following year! I also thought the 3rd round tie against Luton was a superb game as well - Luton played brilliantly against more glamorous opposition, but unluckily for them, they were up against the comeback kings.
Is this the Vasquez goal?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tSaGmlWuxmA
Here's the interview too...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gn2dd7Cmod4&mode=related&search=
Edited by iloveworldsoccer (28/07/2007 22:34)
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bigfranco
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On the subject of the Maradona goal, no-one has mentioned how crap the England defending was. That doesn't take away anything from the skill he showed in the excecution of the goal, but it's also fair to mention that Butcher and Fenwick were very poor and as for Peter Reid's back-tracking don't make me laugh.
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Historyman
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I think that Maradona's 180 degrees turn with the ball still at his feet, coupled with his sudden burst of acceleration, put paid to Peter Reid's chances of tackling him. Terry Fenwick had already been booked, so that may explain why he didn't try to tackle or impede him. Some have argued that, since Maradona's 'Hand of God' goal had been 'scored' only four minutes earlier, the England defenders may not have been 100% focused on the situation at hand. I suppose that we'll never know whether the goal could have been stopped or not.
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Mauricio
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I wouldn't rate this goal one of the greatest, but it sure is a great one. A young Ronaldinho making his debut on the Brazilian team, on his first attempt to score. This was just a preview of what was coming, a fantastic footballer.
Ronaldinho - Brazil v Venezuela
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djomen
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Between greatest goals it worth mention Ronaldinho's penalty kick in World Cup 2002 Brasil vs England. And Shevchenko's goal in 2003 Milan vs Juventus. These two were very spectaculars, belong to the most spectacular ever.
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