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Thought Hibbert would have got the number two jersey this season but maybe Moyes as a right back lined up. Agree with you on Vogel, you can not lose on a free transfer and with international quality it could be a good piece of business and had that bit more experience to a very thin squad. We still need strengthening further to hopefully having a longer more successful challenge in Europe this term.
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The Great Stadium Debate
Should Everton move to Kirkby? Yes or No?? Will Everton move at all? Yes or No?? For those unaware of the situation, Everton's proposed move to Kirkby, located just outside the border of Liverpool and situated in the Borough of Knowsley, is to say the least a very much talked about topic. Is it also correct to only allow 33,000 season ticket holders the right to vote on a stadium move??
Well for one, at least 70% of the 33,000 voters will not agree in a move to Kirkby, that is for sure. Only Everton fans blind folded, will know all this talk of a stadium move is all fictitious. Everton have attempted to re-build facilities at their training headquarters at Bellefield, West Derby, Liverpool. This was seven years ago if not longer infact, and still we wait on permission to improve facilities or to be given permission to re-locate to Halewood in the borough of Knowsley. Everton's Academy is based in Litherland, in the borough of Sefton. Can anyone less scepticle than me see a familiar pattern emerging??
Let me tell you all the truth, this talk of moving or staying as not progressed for many years now because Liverpool City Council do not "HOLD" Everton Football Club in high esteem. This is the reason why the club see's the need to move 7 miles down the East Lancs Road to build a new stadium in Knowsley, but this too will not happen. Why, because the funding is simply non-existant!!
I for one knew the proposed Kings Dock move was all "pie in the sky" talk and referring to that particular move only council members could vote yes or no to go ahead with stadium proposal's. The strange thing about all this is all council members had restrictions in whether they could vote to give the go-ahead. To be eligible to vote they could not have have any connections with Everton Football Club, They could not have any connections with/or being a fan of the game and finally they could not have any connections with football as a whole. Straight away we are struggling. Then rumour after counter rumour was that there was not enough money funded for the kings dock regeneration. I will let you have your say now then continue with what i know will happen next. This will also contest the clubs reasoning as to why you have to pay to have your say.
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Didn't they announce they were about to do the 'Deal of the CENTURY' yesterday? 
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Oh yes, and it made me chuckle a touch. "Deal of the CENTURY"? What a Joke.
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That statement by Wynerss was embarrassing. Pitiful attempt to bribe the fans to say yes to a move. All this talk of no Plan B is tantamount to blackmail. The figures are vague too. Eg. £10M extra per season for Moyes. Where did he pluck that figure from?
Kirkby came about because Everton couldn't afford to redevelop Goodison and because they couldn't afford to build a new stadium. They appproached Tesco chief executive and Everton fan Sir Terry Leahy to see if he could help out. He trawled around possible sites in Liverpool but found none that were suitable. He genuinely thinks that Kirkby represents the best deal for the club. The Tesco development will go ahead there even if Everton don't build a new stadium.
Stephen, I think you might be wrong about the esteem in which Everton are held by Liverpool Council. It's the oldest business in the City and I don't think they (the majority of councillors at least) want to lose the club. The council always preferred a shared stadium, which is logical when you think about it. However, Liverpool were confident they could go it alone and dismissed the idea. Even if they hadn't Everton would not have had the money for their half of the costs, so it was always a dead duck anyway.
I'm fairly confiden that the vote will be no, but I'm less confident that the club will abide by that vote. The one note of optimism I see is that Kenwright doesn't want to be seen as the man who took the club out of Liverpool. I think he originally viewed this move as his legacy, after which he could have sold out (at a profit), but having witnessed the level of opposition, he may be having second thoughts. Wyness, who's driving this, couldn't care less about 100+ years of history and is looking to leave his mark.
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I like your thoughts on this Barney, i do however still believe there is a problem with Liverpool City Council ence the reason why we are in talks with Knowsley Borough Council over this move. I agree with you that the Tesco development will go ahead regardless and the club will move there and what has not been mentioned which i am sure will happen, is that once Goodison Park is knocked to the ground, Tesco will build yet another Supermarket into the bargain so they get the best of both worlds.
Then Everton Football Club will make huge profits in selling off pieces of the ground to fans. I have never been convinced over the fact that Goodison cannot be re-developed. If the club, the Council and others concerned were to seriously come up with a plan to restruture the ground, i am certain they would be able to. On a ground share with Liverpool, we know that would never have happened anyway and the Council knew this that is why they compomised the idea knowing full well the idea would go no further.
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Stephen, I think you might be wrong about the esteem in which Everton are held by Liverpool Council. It's the oldest business in the City and I don't think they (the majority of councillors at least) want to lose the club.
If they lost it, couldn't they just 'order' another one from that bloke in the pub?
JUST KIDDING!!!!
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Remaining Pre-Season fixtures
July 2007
Preston Wed 18th 19:30 A
Real Salt Lake Sat 21st TBC
Stirling Albion (R) Thu 26th 19:30 A
Kendal Town (R) Sat 28th 15:00 A
Werder Bremen Tue 31st 20:00 H
August 2007
Warrington Town (R) Thu 2nd 19:30 A
Crystal Palace Sat 4th 15:00 A
Aberystwyth Town (R) Tue 7th 19:30 A
(R) = Reserve team games.
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stephen_woodside
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Hibbert is indeed squad number 2 this coming season, silly me.
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Stadium Move (Continued)
Keith Wyness got all Evertonians talking yesterday day with his comments about "Deal Of The Century" and "No Plan B". Liverpool council leader Warren Bradley has had his say. Knowsley Council have had their say. Dave Kelly, spokesman for KEIOC has had his say
Here is what they've all had to say
Keith says: "Emotions will be running very high on this issue and I understand that. As much as it would pain them to do it, fans will realise it is the only way forward to the future. The Evertonians are very reasonable. It is an amazing deal, the deal of the century. If the heart rules the head, we will never get an opportunity like this again.
We will be left with very little debt at the end of it. The deal compares very favourably with other clubs building new stadiums. We will be getting a very nice stadium for a small amount of money. There is no other site that we have found that will involve the same level of contribution.
The money to build the stadium is completely different to the money that goes on the team. This is bricks and mortar. But the extra revenue brought in from the new stadium will enable us to better compete on the pitch. It means that there will be more money flowing back to the manager, something in the region of £10m a year. There is a long way to go. If the fans vote in favour, which I am confident they will, we still have to go through the planning stages. There are potential for delays, but if everything goes smoothly, we could be ready by 2010.
If we have to carry on at Goodison, there will be serious issues. Attendance numbers will go down and then revenue will go down and when that happens, you can’t compete. There is no Plan B. There is no other option."
David Kelly says: "We believe that anybody who is a match-going Everton supporter should be able to take part in the ballot, simple as that. Supporters of the so-called People’s Club should not be disenfranchised. Bill Kenwright said he will put six or seven hours aside to discuss the ground move and the ballot, so I am shocked at their announcement.“We had assurances it would be the first of a series of meetings to discuss any fears and seek our input.
Now they are saying they will enter into no further negotiations now they are in the ballot process.They gave us assurance there would be a consultation on this. Now the people of Kirkby are going to have a consultation but no ballot, and Everton supporters are going to have a ballot but no consultation."
Knowsley Council spokesman says: "Everton’s move to ballot their fans marks a further phase in the consultation on the possibility of Kirkby becoming the new location for the football club. It is critical that the opinions of Everton fans are known alongside the views of our own community.
Thousands of Kirkby residents and businesses have already had their say on how they want to see their town centre developed through a series of consultation events including a two-day community consultation drop in, which was followed up with a postal questionnaire to every household in Kirkby, neighbourhood meetings, meetings with businesses and a road show. We asked anyone with an interest in Kirkby to tell us what improvements they want to see made to their town centre. The results are being independently analysed and will be published in August.”
Warren Bradley says: "The difficult thing for us has been the exclusivity period between Everton, Knowsley and Tesco which means we have not been able to have formal talks with them. I have spoken to Terry Leahy about the sites we have identified as possible new homes for Everton and the fact that there is no reason Tesco could not build their store there either.
We have done more work on the sites and there are now more than two we have identified. If they ask ‘would you like a brand-new stadium with all the bells and whistles on’ then people will vote yes. But if it’s a fair question about whether fans want to leave Liverpool to go to Knowsley then I think the vast majority will answer no.
I don’t see why Everton and Liverpool City Council cannot come forward with a stadium in this city. I wish we could get round the table and talk about it. What I’m not prepared to do is put a huge piece of land up and cost Liverpool council taxpayers £50m. That’s not the way forward. As an Evertonian, and leader of the council, I don’t want to see one of the city’s oldest businesses leaving. " Bluekipper"
Transfer Talk
As negotiations continue with Johann Vogel rumoured to be on the verge of signing a two year deal on a free transfer, Everton are currently also in talks with South African Steven Pienaar joining the club on a year long loan deal from Borussia Dortmund. Pienaar is looking to move to a Premiership club but prefers a club involved in European Competition's. Manchester City are also interested but they cannot offer Pienaar's preferences.
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Everton play Preston North End tonight in a friendly, not that Sky Sports News would inform viewers. Once again we have been omitted. They cant get nothing right them lot, the have even stated Andriy Voronin scored on his debut last night in Liverpool's 3-2 win over Werder Bremen, this despite Voronin playing at Crewe's Gresty Road on Saturday, tut,tut,tut.
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Munich 1860 U23 (1) Everton Reserves (3)
Everton reserves have recorded a fine win in Austria.
A young Toffees side came from behind to defeat Munich 1860 Under 23s. It was an entertaining game and the Germans scored first early on.
Lukas Jutkiewicz thought he had levelled shortly after but his effort was ruled out for offside – a decision hotly disputed by the Everton contingent.
However before the break the 18-year-old centre forward bagged a legitimate goal for Andy Holden’s team to level the score.
Everton were then the much the better team in the second period and Bjarni Vidarsson deservedly put the Blues ahead.
Jutkiewicz scored again before the end to make it three goals in two games for him and Andy Holden was delighted at the final outcome.
“The lads applied themselves excellently,” he said.
“It was a very good workout and we played some really good football. Lukas should, have had a hat-trick because I don’t think his first effort should have been disallowed but I am really happy with both performance and result.”
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as a lifelong evertonian i am against a move.you only have to look at the clubs who have moved to new stadiums and see that mostly the team suffers eg derby,sunderland,leicester,coventry,man city etc..even arsenal.at goodison everton have a slight advantage with the crowd and from what you read a lot of opposing players dont like playing there.if there were no obstructed views everton could possibly get 40000 guaranteed a week but from my experience the only games that sell out are liverpool and man u(if its not on tv)and the last game of the season.i would stay exactly were they are!get the team right first.man u have done the right thing,back in the early 90s they were on a par with everton but got the team right and gradually rebuilt old trafford and look at them now!you could put another tier on the parkend???
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Latest Score
Preston North End 1 Everton 0.
Whaley 12
Preston: Lonergan, Alexander, Davidson, Pugh, Mawene, Agyemang, St Ledger, Whaley, Nicholls, Nowland, Mellor. Subs: Henderson, Jarrett, Sedgwick, Hawley, Chilvers, Collins, Ormerod, Hill, Jones, Neal, Anyinsah.
Everton: Howard, Hibbert, Lescott, Stubbs, Valente, Arteta, van der Meyde, de Silva, Carsley, Vaughan (Beattie 15), Anichebe. Subs: Yobo, Turner, Jagielka, Neville.
Referee: N.Swarbrick.
Latest Injury News: James Vaughan has dislocated his shoulder.
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Pre -Season Friendly
Preston North End 1 Everton 1.
Whaley 12 ---------- Anichebe 80
Preston: Lonergan (Jarrett 46), Alexander (Sedgwick 46), Davidson (Hawley 46), Pugh (Chilvers 46), Mawene (Collins 46), Agyemang (Omerod 46), St Ledger (Hill 46), Whaley (Jones 46), Nicholls (Neal 46), Nowland (Anyinsah 46), Mellor (Henderson 46).
Everton: Howard, Hibbert, Lescott, Stubbs (Jagielka 46), Valente, Arteta, van der Meyde, de Silva, Carsley (Neville 46), Vaughan (Beattie 15), Anichebe. Subs: Yobo, Turner.
Referee: N.Swarbrick.
Attendance: 8,004.
It was a night of hugely contrasting fortunes for Everton's rising striking stars at Deepdale.
Victor Anichebe opened his account for pre-season with a superb finish that earned Everton a 1-1 draw against the Lilywhites 10 minutes from time on the night Phil Jagielka made his first appearance in a Blue jersey.
But the night was hugely overshadowed by the sight of fellow teenager James Vaughan being stretchered off after just 15 minutes with a shoulder injury that provided the Everton medical team with a great deal of cause for concern.
It was a major blow for the striker, who celebrated his 19th birthday at the weekend.
He had started brightly and was presented with a great chance after just two minutes - but he failed to connect with Joleon Lescott's head-down from close range - much to the relief of Preston keeper Andrew Lonergan.
That was merely a pre-cursor for an eventful and unusually fiery opening to the contest - a contest that was all too short-lived for Vaughan.
A seemingly innocuous collision with Youl Mawene resulted in the striker suffering a shoulder injury that forced to his early departure on a stretcher.
A cruel blow for a striker who has been dogged by a succession of injury problems, it came just minutes after referee Swarbrick chose to caution Everton's Tony Hibbert following an angry set-to with former Liverpool striker Neil Mellor, who also received stern words from the match official.
All the drama meant that the opening goal of the game was merely a side-issue.
It was netted by the home side, and came in the 12th minute from Simon Whaley. He produced a sweet curling shot from the edge of the box that just beat the dive of Tim Howard.
James Beattie, having entered the fray in place of Vaughan, produced his first shot on goal. A bold volleyed effort from distance, it is the kind of shot Beattie has netted from in the past. On this occasion, though, it drifted wide of the target. Nevertheless, it was an indication of the confidence flowing through a player who looks lean and eager to impress this pre-season.
Mellor, clearly savouring facing the Toffees, robbed Nuno Valente on the edge of the box in the 36th minute and produced a fierce drive that forced Howard into a good finger-tip save.
Preston boss Paul Simpson introduced an entirely different XI in the second period, but they were equally committed. And inside the opening five minutes a deflected Brett Ormerod effort cannoned back off the underside of the crossbar.
By that stage of proceedings summer signing Phil Jagielka had entered the fray for Everton - his first appearance since his arrival from Sheffield United.
Beattie produced a great volley on the turn in the 52nd minute that forced Lonergan into action.
Jagielka, who has made no secret of his versatility, is best known for playing in more defensive roles. But on 55 minutes he tested the Preston keeper with a header from an Arteta corner.
It was a free-flowing game and minutes later Ormerod forced Tim Howard into a good, brave stop low at the striker's feet.
Wayne Henderson had to do well to deny Victor Anichebe after the striker turned smartly to escape the attentions of Chris Sedgwick midway through the second period. Everton were certainly causing plenty of problems for the home side - but the goal was proving elusive.
With 17 minutes of the half left to play Preston's Chris Sedgwick produced a teasing low drive that deflected narrowly wide of Howard's upright.
The Blues finally got on the scoresheet 10 minutes from time - and what a good goal it was. A long ball was snapped up by the striker, who held off two challenges as he surged into the area and produced a deft finish to the delight of the travelling fans behind the goal.
It took a fine stop from Henderson to deny Phil Neville minutes later. It was an uncharacteristic right-footed half-volley from 20 yards that was flying towards the top corner from the England international.
There were further chances as Everton did their utmost in the closing stages to secure victory but Preston held firm.
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In agreement with you regarding getting the playing side right first. As far of all this Stadium move goes, it is really annoying me so much and we Everton fans have suffered long enough after one promise after another turns out to be a total cover-up. I love my club as much as the next man but until we get the boardroom staff currently at the club removed, this great club will continue to deteriorate. We now should all be looking forward to the start of a new campaign and i am, but there is always the underlying problem at the club of who is pulling the strings.
Since John Moores sad departure from the club, the Blues have had a succession of who-ray-henry's running things looking for a quick buck. Peter Johnson almost destroyed Everton and was only interested in expanding his own Hamper company across the Mersey rather than having Everton FC as his main priority. Johnson was also heavily passionate with Tranmere Rovers at the time and bled £4.3 million out of his own Everton team under his reign as chairman for Goalkeeper Steve Simonsen for the Birkenhaed club.
Now, under Kenwright we have a bigger clown who claims to be an Evertonian but simply is in this business for his own theatre productions. Paul Gregg, one of Kenwright's side kicks who now as parted company with the club "thankfully" owned many theatres in London and strangely enough left the club soon after the King's Dock proposal fell through. There is much more to say on this matter but i will call it a night for now but i will finish on stating that the biggest problem is Liverpool City Council and the one vision they have for a certain team called Liverpool FC, Fact, Fact and guess what a "FACT" again.
Say no to this move, anyone agreeing with a move will be contributing to our own clubs downfall, also giving Liverpool City Council what they crave for, a one City Club "Liverpool".
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In terms of moving stadium, my main sadness is that decades (often over a century) of history is wiped out in one go and when a club leaves the city it belongs to, then what on Earth, other than the sheer name of the club, binds it to its new home? When Coventry moved, we moved within the city limits, albeit out of the city centre, but when we began the move, we were in the premiership and had plans for a 40000 seater venue with all manner of things (like approx 20000 empty seats), but by the time we made the move, we had an identikit stadium we no longer owned...one we are yet to fill, which never surprised me. In terms of whether the football suffered, i'd say it didn't as we were pretty awful before.
In Everton's case, is there really a drastic need to move? Or is it just a pleasant distraction and a touch of wanting to still be seen as a 'big club'?
And as for moving out of the city? For a town with such footballing pride as Liverpool, to see that happen would be criminal.
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quality match report didnt have to buy the echo or post!!shame about vaughan but least its not his knee again,still waiting on vogel and ive heard another name pienaar from holland.anichebe could be a real star this season,and i guess beattie will stay now vaughans out?
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quality match report didnt have to buy the echo or post!!shame about vaughan but least its not his knee again,still waiting on vogel and ive heard another name pienaar from holland.anichebe could be a real star this season,and i guess beattie will stay now vaughans out?
I have to be honest, the match report is from Evertonfc.com that i pasted and copied. When i have got time on my hands i will be writing my own reports. You are correct in Beattie staying now due to Vaughan's injury, he may have stayed anyhow as Moyes still rates him. Anichebe will more than likely be a big star but us Evertonian's should tread carefully on that particular subject, remember Stuart Barlow, Michael Branch and Danny Cadamarteri. Then when we found a real star in Wayne Rooney he departed for Manchester United which i wont go into. Vaughan another with a bright, bright future so to has John-Paul Kissock.
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The whole cover up that no one seems to pick up on in the city of Liverpool is that the City Council has no intentions whatsoever of funding a stadium move for Everton Football Club. I can tell you right now, if Liverpool FC put in a bid to develop a stadium at the Kings Dock at the time when we looked for a possible move there, that stadium would now have been built and already would have been in use.
This City has unfortunately become a one club city over the past five/six years, to Liverpool City Council at least as they can bring in more revenue for the fat cats of the area much more the Everton will be able to. Lets face it, it did not take long for permission for the new Anfield on Stanley Park to be granted. EFC has for years now, i think since 1994, have put in plans to expand or improve training facilities at our current Bellefield training ground in West Derby, we still await permission and have indeed since then, the club as looked to re-locate the training ground to Halewood, Knowsley, still no joy. The only joy we have had was that we built a new accademy but outside of the City Boundaries in Litherland, Borough of Sefton. Why no one can see the problems and the out and out £££ signs that Liverpool City Council see and their one sided vision for one clubs development in LFC, is totally beyhond me.
As Everton were the second club on Merseyside, "the first being Bootle FC although they faded rapidly after the formation of St Domingo's which become Everton FC" we should stay put, get shut of Kenwright and all his crew that think more of theatre productions than they do of this great club, and to get owners in who really have the clubs interests at heart. The fans of this club have been spun a yarn for years now and a majority seems not to have cottoned on to this all mighty swindle.
One brief example going totally off the subject of a stadium move. Five years ago Everton attempted to sign Sean Davies from Fulham for £5 million during the pre-season, Davies failed the medical but the club announced they would refresh the bid for him in the opening of the January transfer window. Once that opened, the club could not afford him, this despite the average attendances being 34,000 at the time with no money spent on players. Where did all this money go you may ask, well i will tell you, to Paul Gregg and his Theatre Investments in London and to fund Mr Kenwrights pantomimes at the Empire Theatre. This club deep down is a mess and is going no where financially. Thank goodness for David Moyes and the players at the club.
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