barney
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The loss of Vaughan is a huge blow. Not just losing him, who I fancied to have a breakthrough season, but also because it means we'll either keep Beattie or spend some of our limited transfer funds on someone like Alan Smith.
I'm intrigued by the prospect of signing Pienaar. Two to three years ago he was quite highly rated, but after a poor season in Germany it looks like we'll get him on a one-year loan, with a view to a permanent deal next year for just £2m. When you consider that Wigan spent £5.3m on Koumas, Birmingham £6m (yes £6m!!!) on Mido, I think Moyes is doing pretty well in the market.
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stephen_woodside
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Losing Vaughan for the first month of the season is a blow for the club but this may just be the kick up the behind that Beattie has needed. Beattie was certainly not favourite of being involved in the starting line-up on the opening day of the season, now he just has to fight with Anichebe to partner AJ up front. However, I still cant help feeling that Beattie will not grasp this opportunity with both hands when he has failed to shine when given previous opportunities, i guess only time will tell. On the year-long-loan signing of Pienaar, which is a done deal providing he is granted a work permit, you are right to be intrigued and it is an exceptional piece of business, much in the same way when Moyes brought in Manuel Fernandez on loan, it is a real shame we could not secure his services on a permanant basis. Vogel also still looks certain to join Everton if he can sort out a personal cash argument with Real Betis.
These incoming transfers still need to be continued from now to the start of the new campaign as strength in depth is key even more so now, that we have an extra competition to play in and we really need to make a better fist of a European challenge than our performances in Europe of two years ago.
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steve31
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moyes seems to pick a rabbit out of the hat with his transfers!going by what ive heard pienaar looks like a steal!lets hope they can sort out the vogel situation soon as another club might come in and as for the price of mido my sides have actually split with laughing that much!
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stephen_woodside
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Saturday 21 July 2007
Real Salt Lake 2 Everton 0.(Rice-Eccles Stadium).
Talley 28
Findley 29
Bookings:
Kipre ----- Neville
Referee: H.Tica
Attendance: 12,221.
Real Salt Lake: Rimando (Reynish 46), Besagno (Watson 46), Torres (Kotschau 46), Wingert (Lancos 46), Kipre (Forko46), Beckerman (Jimenez 61), Talley (Watson 61), Williams (Harris 61), Sturgis (Cutler 61), Eskandarian (Kirby 66) Findley (Brown 46). Unused Substitute: Curfman.
Everton: Howard, Jagielka, Yobo, Stubbs (Lescott 58), Valente (Hibbert 58), Osman, Carsley (Anichebe 58), Neville, Arteta (Anderson De Silva 58), Beattie, Johnson.
Everton have lost their only game of the 2007 US tour, falling to a 2-0 defeat against Real Salt Lake.
The Blues suffered the reverse at the Rice Eccles Stadium following two days of intensive high altitude training in Utah.
Everton produced some neat moves in the opening period but were guilty of conceding two disappointing goals in the space of a minute midway through the opening period.
The opener came in the 28th minute, skipper Carey Talley capitalising on a pass from Alecko Eskandarian.
Everton had only just come to terms with that setback when the home side doubled their lead. Andy Williams was the provider on this occasion, teeing up Robbie Findley for a goal that sent the home fans wild.
The ball found its way to the edge of the box where Leon Osman fed it back in to James Beattie. The striker side-footed the shot goalwards but it was saved by Rimando.
Salt Lake were causing problems themselves though - and on 55 minutes sub Kyle Brown found space down the inside right and fired in a decent effort that Howard did really well to parry.
Everton made what changes they could early in the second period, whilst the home side switched their playing contingent around considerably.
Sub Chris Lancos missed a glorious chance with a backpost header, whilst the combination of Howard's safe hands and Joleon Lescott's imposing frame twice denied Salt Lake during one scarey moment in the 75th minute.
Beattie rifled over midway through the half and Victor Anichebe was furious with referee Tica on 72 minutes when his calls were a penalty fell on deaf ears.
A caution for Phil Neville for an innoccuous challenge followed by a yellow card 10 minutes later for a scything challenge from Dustin Kirby underlined how seriously this game was being taken in this part of the world.
Beattie was proving the biggest threat for the Blues' squad - and he was inches away from connecting to a low, drilled cross from the right by Anderson de Silva six minutes from time.
But it seemed the Toffees were destined for a goalless evening in their one game of the 2007 US tour.
Match Report from Evertonfc.com
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stephen_woodside
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These are the latest images of Everton's proposed new stadium in Kikby. Do you like what you see because i know i dont, it is an eyesore. This is a "Deal of the Century" ha, what a joke. Keep Everton in the city and dont let Liverpool City Council get their wish of making it a "one club city". POWER TO THE PEOPLES CLUB.
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Historyman
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There must be a lot of anxiety in the blue half of Merseyside at the moment. What are the alternatives to the new stadium? Is staying at Goodison a serious option?
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stephen_woodside
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There is definately a chance we could rebuild on the site we currently have but obviously the people behind the club and Liverpool City Council, have never heard of underground parking etc etc. Goodison is said to be land-locked and maybe it is on the Goodison Road side (Main Stand) but the Bullens Road end could be extended if not outwards, then upwards. The Gwladys Street End could also be built upwards but nobody seems to have the vision to take time to weigh things up and seem just to be looking for options on the cheap.
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steve31
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bad result for everton especially with a strong side out!liverpool city council have finally started saying they want everton to stay in the boundaries and that they have 5 options for sites including redeveloping goodison(my choice)!havent seen any plans yet??
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stephen_woodside
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Redevoloping Goodison Park is also my opinion and also the majority of most Evertonians. Building say three tiers on both the Gwladys street and the Bullens road would add an extra 6,000 to the Gwladys Street and a further 12,000 to the Bullens taking the stadium capacity to around 64,000. Re-building the main stand taking out the bollards out for a cantalever stand would then be the next on the agenda. Five seperate sites being mentioned in the city however is not washing with me as when we were in talks of the Kings Dock proposal, five sites were then mentioned and we have never witnessed any plans or real details of the actual sites. (not sure i have spelt cantalever correctly  .)
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stephen_woodside
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Bad result against Real Salt Lake, you are correct but i suppose you can only look at the positives in pre-season. Team bonding and maintaining fitness for the new campaign is key and to avoid injuries being repeated like James Vaughan's must be running through David Moyes' mind. Also, if you are going to suffer defeat, i feel it is best to suffer these upsets before the big kick off giving the team time to put things right. Saying that, it does not improve confidence if the club suffers so many pre-season defeats or poor performance's and can affect the team morale when it really matters.
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stephen_woodside
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New Stadium voting system
Before i begin on this topic, i would really appreciate all world soccer forum members to respond with a yes or no in response to my question or go into more detail as i am interested in opinions. Now although this subject is regarding Everton, i would like you imagine this is your club/s we are discussing here.
The Question: Is it right that only season ticket holders have the rights to vote on a ground move??? On a personal note, i have held nine season tickets for my club and once travelled to many away games. Because i now do not have the luxury of getting many saturday's and sunday's off work, i cant get to many games, so does that give me any less right to vote also? If your club had similar goings on to that at Everton Football Club and you we unable to attend a lot of games due to work comitments etc, would you feel aggrieved by having your voice taken away from you? I am as big an Evertonian as the next man/woman, no more, no less and to see my beloved club treating its fans in the way they are currently doing saddens me greatly. As it stands, you seemingly only have a voice as an Everton fan but you must "pay to have your say".
Please give me your thoughts on this, i would very much appreciate your opinions.
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RichieC
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That'd be 'cantilever' 
For a brand new stadium, it's hardly inspiring in the same sense that Arsenal and the Pool's new ones are / will be (although I personally find them a tad uninspiring these days...someone do something original!). It's a box with open corners a la Rangers / Milwall. Hardly a flagship design. The 'People's Club' moniker on the side is rather amusing though, given the vast opposition to moving!
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stephen_woodside
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Oh well, i was only one letter out. Im lait 4 skool now dam it, iM misinG my spellin clas wiD Miss Joens  .
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righteous1
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On the face of it, it is not 'fair' that only season ticket holders get to vote re the ground. But, to throw a spanner in the works, how else could you prove you were a 'true' Everton fan?
If they just opened it up as a free ballot wouldn't there be a strong chance that the vote would get sabotaged by some non-Everton fan wags (old meaning of wags, not Colleen and her crowd of morons  )?
I am just posing questions, but I suspect that this is the main reason why the vote is for Season Ticket holders only. I very much sympathise for other fans who feel very strongly about the issue and want their say, afterall its not often fans get a say on anything these days (have they ever?), but logistically in my mind I can't think of any other way of doing it while still keeping the vote a reliable reflection of the Everton fans views.
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stephen_woodside
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True. What baffles me about it all is that Kenwright and his clowns want to move to Kirkby but i can guarantee over 70% of the current season ticket holders will vote no to the move. You would have thought they would have opened a broader vote, an open ballot like you have suggested. This way, there would have been a greater chance for the voting to be closer although the majority would still vote no. Why the club cant build the ground upwards is beyond me but then Kenwright wants all the money he can get to put into his theatre productions.
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RichieC
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I tend to agree with righteous1 on this...although there are problems. If Everton sell out their season ticket allocation each year then there are several fans out there who want, but cannot get, a season ticket. Also, there may well be some who are, for example, out of the country for a year and so haven't renewed. They may have held a season ticket for the last 20 years, but as they don't posess a current one, cannot vote.
Why not invite anyone who has held a season ticket in the last 10 years? Or maybe those who have held a season ticket at least twice in the last 10 years?
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stephen_woodside
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Another valid point, however the problem lies in the fact that Everton have around 33,000 season ticket holders leaving just under 10,000 supporters who buy tickets at the box office, some more regular than others. Fans then should be able to vote if they can produce ticket stubs. Also fans that go to no games during a season but contribute to the clubs finances by purchasing expensive club merchandise, why are they not allowed to vote. I can understand complications may set in here but this club of mine are refusing true fans the right to have a say in the clubs future, and that is simply unacceptable.
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steve31
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it is best to get those sort of results out of the way but to lose against a team like that is worrying and not scoring either with a very strong line up.
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steve31
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how close is the tescos going to be? 
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steve31
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no,i dont think it is right that just season ticket holders get a vote.if everton could be arsed they could look at their database of previous season ticket holders going back several years,they could get names from the box office when fans have paid by credit cards etc..they could have a voting system in the club shop when fans buy items!they could ballot supporters clubs!they could look at fans who have bought items online from the club shop?its not hard is it?
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