The struggles of Brazil and Argentina at the South American Under-20 Championships shows that the countries conveyor belt of talent has spluttered to a halt.
Argentina President says enough is enough as he refuses to offer any more state assistance for football.
Tim Vickery sees Lionel Messi revive Argentina's World Cup qualifying campaign at the expense of a confused Colombia side.
Players have had enough of trial by media and Messi says they will no longer talk.
Another defeat for Argentina has brought the spotlight on the country's problems.
Pressure already on new Argentina coach as heavy Brazil defeat perpetuates worrying slump.
As Argentina travel to face group leaders Brazil, the pressure is on for a country that has dropped out of the qualifying places for Russia 2018.
There are two different Argentina teams: the one with Lionel Messi and the one without.
Argentina forward becomes only the second player from Argentina to score 50 international goals.
Qualification for the 2018 World Cup for both Brazil and Argentina is not guaranteed.